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Gothic photocon vote!

Gothic photocon vote!
21 Jul 2012

Well, it's time to start the vote to select the best photo for the Fast Anime gothic photo contest. All Shelf users registered prior to the vote start can and should cast a vote! Zoom in on the picture by clicking it. Selecting up to five submissions to vote for is allowed this time. Please, do not rate the photographs only by the degree of compliance with the contest subject — every one of them displayed here has met that requirement. By the way we were not really strict on that matter (hope nobody’s embarrassed by that).

Please comment on your choice! Tell us what you voted for and why!

The vote will last a week — till July 28th 19:59 PM UTC. Top five photos that get the most votes pass to the second stage. The winner is selected by Fast Anime store representatives.

We hoped the works would speak for themselves and would not require any remarks to be made, but I will permit myself to make one.

A remark on the submission №44

Now go and vote!

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cupcakedreams
cupcakedreams (Iceland)
21 Jul 2012, 12:47:20
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So many pretty pictures!
Voting is gonna take a while for me.. xD
norfolk_s3d
norfolk_s3d (Russia)
21 Jul 2012, 13:22:41
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Is that a WoW elf on №33?
Naru
Naru (Russia)
21 Jul 2012, 15:08:56
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Yep.
no photo
akomei
26 Jul 2012, 06:08:52
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No. 44 submission, if you have to explain the photo then you failed.

The photo should explain itself. Even then, the photo is not even in the same crop or aspect ratio, let alone the orientation. The composition is nowhere close to the original. All you did was put Madoka and Homura side-by-side and just label it as a 'homage' to a painting.

To use a painting as a basis for an art/photography contest but not completely understand the source material is pretty bogus to me. Nice intention but very meek execution. Study the painting, just put the painting and the photo side-by-side. From there you can make it better, really make it stand out.

The original painting itself is a great piece of artwork, if you wanted to base it off that, study what makes it so, then you might have had a great photo in the end.

The stern look on the farmer's face, the subtle expression on the farmer's wife. The pitchfork in the foreground adds a composition element. The entire painting is also in focus, making you want to notice everything, including the house in the background.

In your photo, the house is blurred, all the focus is on the foreground elements. Good, but not great if you're basing it off the source material.
Lishtenbird
Lishtenbird (Russia)
26 Jul 2012, 11:43:59
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I tend not to agree.

The accuracy of the representation in this photo has nothing to do here with having to explain the photo. One would never see this reference just because he wouldn't be expecting it here, and the reason one would not be expecting this reference here is because the original painting lacks the 'gothic' feeling we modern anime people expect when speaking about 'gothic'. I personally have no difficulties in getting many references in many webcomics just because I know they are supposed to be there, but this is not the case.

And as for the photo 'explaining itself', the viewer (of any age and education) should know the original pretty well to distinguish it. E.g. 'The Scream' is a well-known painting that can be parodied easily in any context, but the painting chosen for 44 is not. I still like the work done, but yet again, I do not think the original is gothic enough and anime'ish enough for a gothic anime contest, so making the photo perfectly copy the painting would not make much difference.

(Not the author.)
no photo
akomei
26 Jul 2012, 20:33:53
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It seems like you're saying even if the photographer were to refer to the source material, it "would not make much difference", as you said. A very long-winded argument to a counter-productive result.

I gave constructive feedback, suggesting ways the photographer could improve for future photos, so that in the end the result could be more inspiring on its own, while you say that it would be a futile attempt for the photographer to try anything new at all.

If No.44 submission photographer is reading this, I do wish you success in future photographs, and not let others tell you it "doesn't make a difference" because it does later on. Keep on photographing!
Lishtenbird
Lishtenbird (Russia)
26 Jul 2012, 21:30:55
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I think we are talking at cross purposes.

Of course you should try your best when doing anything (especially for contests and if you are willing to win), but even the finest foie gras will still not work for McDonald's menu. Saying this, I mean that the photographer could make the photo look more like the painting, and I admit you were right in pointing out the specific aspects of what could have been improved. But in this specific case, I still doubt that it would make dramatic difference in the voting - due to all the things I mentioned previously. You base your opinion on the assumption that excellent execution can make up for the lack of the gothic feeling wide audience has; my experience in photography says it will not, as context is more important. I do not think we should argue violently on whose point of view is right as different people are different, and you never know what surprises they will spring you:)

As for the painting itself and the photo, I do see many differences as well. Apart from the aspect ratio and the sharpness, there is this old-yellowish toning and the canvas-paint texture; the photo, on the other hand, has harsh scratches and a blueish tone. The cropping is another important point: the thing I always notice on paintings is the composition and cropping errors that are usually not acceptable in modern photography. In this case it is the ultra-close cropping of the house's spike, the shoulders and especially the half-cut hand; I assume this is happening because of the extra 'cropping' by the frame in which the painting is put. Commenting on all this together, I shall say that today I would prefer the light, blueish and modernly blurred version of 44 to the original. This is, however, my personal view of this photo - that also bases on the assumption that the photographer knew what he was doing and was intending to only base it on the painting rather than duplicate it.

:)
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akomei
26 Jul 2012, 21:48:33
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My comments again were based on the fact that the photographer made a remark in an attempt to base the submission off a very well known painting that is referenced in many different forms of media, photography included.

The photographer wanted to make the photo similar to the painting, and use it as a submission for this contest, that already is something that I can't change, but I can make suggestions to improve on that idea. What you're saying is that it wouldn't help at all in the context of this contest, and I'll quote you on this: " different people are different, and you never know what surprises they will spring you."

The analysis of the painting you just made should have also been made by the photographer, and it doesn't look like to me that they did. I look at it and see an almost Instagram effect of a photo of Homura and Madoka next to each other. Nothing gothic, nor 'American Gothic' about it. Maybe this controversy may not have even occurred had there not been the remark, but the fact that the photographer did attempt to base it off a source material it makes it more prone to comparison and contrast.

My critique does not come from assuming the photographer knows what they're doing, if they do, it should clearly show in the photograph itself, not by making a remark.
Lishtenbird
Lishtenbird (Russia)
26 Jul 2012, 22:24:36
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I believe the remark itself was the title of the photo in the first place, but since the photos have no titles here, it became an important clue that had to be discarded.

Anyway, the voting tells us it did not work out in the end, and in contests voting is the final argument.
no photo
akomei
27 Jul 2012, 09:56:38
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Yes I didn't believe it would have worked out for No.44. The remark possibly caused it to be less effective.

Glad we could get a good open discussion, sometimes the casual comments on contests have less intrinsic value. It was great to hear opposing/new thoughts on the subject, Lishtenbird. :-)
cici
cici (USA)
26 Jul 2012, 06:51:54
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voting was simple, just saw what touhed my heart
Faith without works is dead...
Living in the wreckage of the future...
Kigurumi lives within ALL of us...
Don't worry, be happy...
Karen
Karen (Russia)
26 Jul 2012, 10:34:12
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cupcakedreams
cupcakedreams (Iceland)
26 Jul 2012, 12:15:34
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Ooh last day of voting, good luck to everyone!

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